ElectricG said,
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
My Response
Here again in 1 timothy chapter 2 they are talking about faith, living in holiness with self-control. This church needed order in worship obviously, as well as doctrinal correction. It was plagued by false teachers as Paul pointed out at the beginning in chapter 1. Tim was in charge and looks like he needed counselling. Paul was asking women to be dignified and modest, self-controlled. Not slanderers (3:11).
He asks them to LEARN quietly. Not to live in bounded silence (if that's what you think).
Look at the rest of the NT. God doesn't ask women to be corrupt in any way but to live in holiness and love. Just look at how Jesus spoke to the woman at the well. No man in that culture would speak to a woman. Women were considered lower-class like dogs. But Jesus, being God, broke that legalistic mentality. The first people who were asked to spread the good news of his resurrection were two women.
Men are asked to live with their wives in an understanding way and honour them.
ElectricG said,
The passages I am pasting, I do read beyond a lone passage, and it really doesn't seem like I'm mischaracterizing the bible. I am only pasting isolated passages because of the character limitations of youtube comments. What you're telling me simply seems contrary to what the bible ACTUALLY says. And I don't see how the era it was written in matters if it is the true word of god.
My Response
You are right, it implies even today to how the church should act.
We might as well talk about 1 Peter 3:7.
It says that wives are joint heirs with their husbands. One is no holier than the other. They are joint heirs. In verse 8, the man is instructed to have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.
How could a man that acts so lovingly abuse a woman? Now taken out of context by a man with no honour towards women, some texts can be ugly if we ignore the rest.
Read 3:1-7. (v. 4)In God's sight this is so precious.
1 Peter 3:7
"Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honour to the wife, as to the weaker vessel... "
There is no verse saying that God created the woman to be the weaker sex.
"God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them". The first two humans were different, but neither was superior or inferior to the other. She is blessed with no less greatness than a man.
So now we ask what manner of weakness Peter is referring to.
Although all of us should be "tender-hearted" (1Pt 3:8), a woman is generally more ready to be so than a man. And this strength is paradoxically her weakness. It is not her fault but her virtue, nevertheless it leaves her vulnerable to abuse.
No decent man will exploit this vulnerability, but will rather understand and honour his woman because of the noble virtues that render her "weaker" than he.
I hope this helped.
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