Quotes from ChristianGay.com "Pastor" Lisa
Lie #1
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV)
This has nothing to do with the word effeminate. She just goes off about absolutely nothing that has to do with the word effeminate. In the Cambridge dictionary effeminate (adj.) "describes a man who behaves or looks similar to a woman"
Lie #2
Romans 1:16-32
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-- his eternal power and divine nature-- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Here we see Lisa ignore the text that is so clear. God gave them up to their shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones (v.26). Likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women....Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. How is this missed as just something to do with creation worship? God clearly stated what is shameful and perversion and unnatural. Somehow, I think that Lisa is a pragmatist. She looks at how people act rather than what the scripture says.
Lie #3
Romans 2:1-5
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
And to whom was Paul writing? The context here is that they were passing judgments on others for the very things they do. It doesn't mean that we cannot judge anyone. Not at all. For scripture says we should make good judgments. Later in chapter 12 Paul writes, "For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith" (NASB).
Lisa is right that we shouldn't think too highly about ourselves, I think that's a point she tries to make, but she misses the picture. We are to keep good judgment and self-control. Look at the rest of scripture where it edifies the roles of men and women. Titus 2 says that a woman should be submissive to their husband. And a man should love his wife as Christ has loved the church. And again in Titus 1 the Elders of the church must be a husband with one wife.
Look at marriage for an example. There is no man and man or woman and woman. It's man and woman, Adam and Eve, Christ and his bride--the church. Eve was punished with the pains of childbirth because she did not listen to her husband. Adam was punished to toil the earth and the earth which he had dominion was cursed because he did not submit to the Lord's word. That is the order. The man is the crown of the woman, and God is the crown of man. If man submits to God then it is good and likewise for the woman. If she submits to the man, who is submitting to God's word, then it is good. Don't be led astray from theology. Go to the word of God and see what is so plainly laid out.
Notes: Gay-bashing is wrong and the Bible instructs that we are not to act in that character towards homosexuals. We wouldn't act the same way towards other sins either.
Resource: christiangay.com
Lie #1
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV)
The phrase we want to look at is: nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. According to Strong's the Greek word translated as effeminate is #3120, malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite. A catamite, according to Webster's is a kept boy. In these days it was very common for young males to prostitute themselves to older, wealthy men in exchange for money, education or a place to live. These were not intended to be love relationships. Many of these men were married to women. These boys were simply kept for sexual purposes as live-in prostitutes. As I stated in the Gay Lifestyle section of this article, I do not defend this type of activity. Unfortunately, today, there is a group of young, male prostitutes that has come about because their parents kicked them out of the house for being gay. These are two different things. Young male prostitutes do not equal homosexuals and homosexuals do not equal young male prostitutes. Prostitution has nothing to do with homosexuality.
This has nothing to do with the word effeminate. She just goes off about absolutely nothing that has to do with the word effeminate. In the Cambridge dictionary effeminate (adj.) "describes a man who behaves or looks similar to a woman"
Lie #2
Romans 1:16-32
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-- his eternal power and divine nature-- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
In verses 16 and 17 Paul describes the Gospel: "it is the power of God for salvation of everyone who believes". Then he gives us the reason for that. He says in verse 17 that in the Gospel a righteousness FROM God is revealed and that this righteousness comes by FAITH in the Gospel. Righteousness comes from God down. It does not come from humans and offered up to God. Righteousness means being right with God because you have faith in the Gospel (That Jesus died for our sins and was raised from the dead on the third day.) Righteousness does not come by heterosexuality nor is it prevented by homosexuality. Righteousness is a gift. It is not earned. It is not gained nor lost by your genetic code. ( I firmly believe most of us that are gay are born that way.)
Interestingly, Paul was speaking of men AND women in verse 18 in the phrase; godlessness and wickedness of men-(anthropos) They chose to worship and serve created things rather than the Creator. They exchanged the glory of God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. This very clearly describes the idols made by the people of ancient times who worshiped the gods of the day as described in the previous section on 'False Gods of Biblical Times.' Here Paul is speaking of the associated temple prostitution. It is very clear that Paul is speaking about both men and women in verses 18-24. In verse 24 he refers to the temple prostitution acts between men and women: them- the godless; they were given to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with ONE ANOTHER. Well, based on the fact that this describes heterosexual acts should we condemn heterosexuality also? In verse 26 he links to the one another with Even the women. This refers to temple prostitution between women as part of their worship of false gods In verse 27 he refers to temple prostitution between men and links it to the one another with ALSO. Paul specifically referred to all sexual acts between people in the context of religious worship of false gods. His main point is NOT homosexuality. His main point is the Gospel of Christ and the condition of people who don't believe.
Here we see Lisa ignore the text that is so clear. God gave them up to their shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones (v.26). Likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women....Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. How is this missed as just something to do with creation worship? God clearly stated what is shameful and perversion and unnatural. Somehow, I think that Lisa is a pragmatist. She looks at how people act rather than what the scripture says.
Lie #3
Paul's thought does not finish there. It continues into the next chapter of Romans. Most Christian gay-bashers don't like to read the next 5 verses. Paul is speaking to the judgmental Christians:
Romans 2:1-5
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
A judgmental Christian is just as without excuse as an unbelieving, false-god worshiper.
And to whom was Paul writing? The context here is that they were passing judgments on others for the very things they do. It doesn't mean that we cannot judge anyone. Not at all. For scripture says we should make good judgments. Later in chapter 12 Paul writes, "For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith" (NASB).
Lisa is right that we shouldn't think too highly about ourselves, I think that's a point she tries to make, but she misses the picture. We are to keep good judgment and self-control. Look at the rest of scripture where it edifies the roles of men and women. Titus 2 says that a woman should be submissive to their husband. And a man should love his wife as Christ has loved the church. And again in Titus 1 the Elders of the church must be a husband with one wife.
Look at marriage for an example. There is no man and man or woman and woman. It's man and woman, Adam and Eve, Christ and his bride--the church. Eve was punished with the pains of childbirth because she did not listen to her husband. Adam was punished to toil the earth and the earth which he had dominion was cursed because he did not submit to the Lord's word. That is the order. The man is the crown of the woman, and God is the crown of man. If man submits to God then it is good and likewise for the woman. If she submits to the man, who is submitting to God's word, then it is good. Don't be led astray from theology. Go to the word of God and see what is so plainly laid out.
Notes: Gay-bashing is wrong and the Bible instructs that we are not to act in that character towards homosexuals. We wouldn't act the same way towards other sins either.
Resource: christiangay.com
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